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How many hours of audio for the popsters to play with... hahahaa they'll never
fill it. Some people are crazy. They love to preserve virtuallity.
Perfectionists collecting TV shows, with every promo and guest appearance and
cross over and remake. The idea is that web sites will become as valuable (and
archivable) as these old shows and there will be vast archives documenting the
art.
They will feel so special about saving it, I assure you.
ianc
ianc@islandnet.com
7/13/99 7:04:29 AM (GMT+03:00)
… the spaces between frames allow for the viewer to interpolate his/her own
reality. The truthful trash is left out to start with and proceeds to leave out
more and more as the project goes on. You are left (or should be) with a
sanitized trashart object. Sanitation in a good sense, it has been taken to it's
logical beauty, fragmentalizing a visual object... painting thick white impasto
over a piece of cardboard, only leaving the logo of a wealthy corporation,
perhaps bisecting it playfully.
Another example of net trash is altavistas translator the babelfish. (Do you
think DNA gets royalties?) The trashed textes are not unlike my project.
digital's beast is set on the unsuspecting textes of about half a dozen
participating earth languages. The results are unsteady and occasionally drunken
but (and I must stress this) 'usable' translations into a language of your
desire.
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bluemchen 09/07/99 - 12:33 bluemchen6@hotmail.com
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The underlying premise is one of complete disuse, which could lead to misuse.
Instead of holes, we get a warn stain along the bottom. To stop from translating
naked lunch from German to English to Italian and back again every forty
minutes, the altavistians have put a lock on the last umpteen reams of
translated data (hehe, they translate it, oh yeah, they translate it alright,
but they hide it away in their massive datacontrol centre for future
copyrighting) so
there is a *beep*beep*beep* translation ends here * * * that slits the throat
with abruptness. This is an element worth exploring, when the translation is
aural, and a tone that will have the resonance of an antique phone ringing will
carry significance for future culture dwellers. right now, it doesn't hold much
more than a cute asciiism. but maybe we can delve into the holes between the
words.
to take advantage of internet technologies, one might choose to orchestrate
technologies in a filtering kind
of way. giving the exhaust, with it's heavy metals, a bluish hue or a stale dull
thud. is network trash too unpredictable for this?
ianc
ianc@islandnet.com
7/11/99 8:46:36 AM (GMT+03:00)
We use the information with our eyes, we throw it away with our mind. To take
advantage of this trash would be to make a hoax, sending a fake one to a
webmaster, a really fastidious one. They would check and re-check their code,
spend literally minutes debunking this hoax. Oh it woldn't work, who doesn't get
weblogs. How many hits did I get, what search engines hit with what keywords.
blah blah. the weblog is good inert trash. meaningless in minutes. no one gives
a shite. throw it away. What can you make out of weblogs? Stories maybe. But no
one would want to read them.
710 : 56.04% : .com (Commercial)
( 55): ( 8.57%): aol.com (America Online)
( 25): ( 1.68%): islandnet.com (Island Net)
478 : 15.28% : [unresolved numerical addresses]
71 : 9.82% : .net (Network)
33 : 5.33% : .ca (Canada)
39 : 2.49% : .it (Italy)
12 : 2.35% : .edu (USA Educational)
20 : 1.78% : .uk (United Kingdom)
8 : 1.10% : .us (United States)
4 : 0.76% : .nl (Netherlands)
5 : 0.71% : .my (Malaysia)
14 : 0.69% : .ch (Switzerland)
4 : 0.61% : .org (Non-Profit Organizations)
4 : 0.50% : .de (Germany)
11 : 0.47% : .fr (France)
5 : 0.47% : .gov (USA Government)
4 : 0.45% : .hu (Hungary)
1 : 0.43% : .dk (Denmark)
2 : 0.15% : .jp (Japan)
3 : 0.11% : .ar (Argentina)
1 : 0.10% : .at (Austria)
1 : 0.09% : .cz (Czech Republic)
1 : 0.07% : .mil (USA Military)
4 : 0.07% : .se (Sweden)
1 : 0.07% : .au (Australia)
1 : 0.03% : .kr (South Korea)
1 : 0.03% : .fi (Finland)
those malaysians are rare.
kr doesn't seem the right domain for korea does it? krypton maybe.
bland and sterile. not what trash should be. It shouldn't be about bad links
either. Somone designed the broken netscape window or the ie cross to be
informative (conversely a candy wrapper is meant to seduce). the broken icon
does contain a 'hole' of sorts, so it meets one of my criteria, that slash is
quite alluring.
ianc
ianc@islandnet.com
7/10/99 9:23:58 AM (GMT+03:00)
Trash is a very American term, It's a word they used on sesame street, it's a
word I thought belonged to newyorkcity, yknow,
like 'moxie' or 'yous'.
In Canada we say garbage, garbage bags, garbage dump.
In Britain I guess it's rubbish, rubbish bins, rubbish tiff (sp[like the image
format]?).
We also have 'junk' which is more useful and more likely made of metal (+scrap).
We have detrius. Which is what artists use.
We have flotsom. From the sea.
We have dross (personal favourite), which is more British, and which is also
metallic in nature, possibly molten
like scum.
Scum could be organic and is most generally liquid and only indirectly (we
wished!) human made... mostly ponds
make it and so it is not a fit topic here. And we have various brands of
excrement which I am too polite to mention
(though shit is all purpose for goodbad things like drugs... which is oddly
fatalistic or somethign)
So trash is American. Computers are American.
Computers have a trashcan (since I use filemanager a lot it bypasses the
trashcan... or recycling bin as it has become).
Let's see. You deposit thigns in the trashcan by dragging and dropping. You
throw thigns in the wastebasket. They are crumpled first
(holes=wrinkles=scratches=etc). Filing in a real filing cabinet and and throwing
into a real wastebasket are different. Dragging to the trash icon and dragging
to My Documents (sorry for being so anglo-win-centric!) are very the same. Ditto
with dealing with the stuff. There is tipping involved in one. Heh, well there
is mass in one, silly.
What about retreiving items from the trash? One is about dumping on the floor,
uncrumpling papers, reading, maybe laying flat (palmed several times). Other is
scanning a list, like looking for grades or a dead son or something
dramatic. Scrolling maybe.
Using? Cutting with scissors. CLeaning with bleach or soap and water. Well, the
file is used the same way as ever. If
it was in the cache of netscape... maybe you have one of those fancy cache
browsers or something, I can't speak form that experience, the cahce is filled
with randomly generated filenames starting with M (for mozilla i suppose),
capital M's, so you drag the images you wish to use to your work dir and play
around with them. You could change their names,but that would not be trashy. You
may only change the capital
M to a lowercase m to be consistent.
Ian c
ianc@islandnet.com
6/4/99 10:30:20 AM (GMT+03:00)
Is it over or what? I would like to thank trash-art for helping to make this
wonderful background gif (ibck1.gif)
for my trash project IMPERIALISM. I know it was trash-art because it contains
many more .RU's than any other locality, and I don't doubt it is linked nowhere
else on the planet. I never promote anything.
If you don't know IMPERIALISM, you're very lucky, but also you dont't realize
that it is a short archive of different languages chopped up in realaudio
format. (They are stored on a geocities site so they may load slowly or not at
all). I took the Russian one from a movie a couple of whose scenes I taped, but
I have no idea what it was called. Perhaps someone knows it (I wouldn't give
attributation because I don't believe in that) but I might as well describe the
scenes, there's a couple of men, one is kinda skinny and is a saxaphone player
the other is very tough and works in a
factory or is a mafioso or something, so the one owes the other money and
toughguy takes his sax. There are other scenes of a nude orchestra recital, or
arguing about same, the tough guy wandering through a train (cabins filled with
more nude people and a paperback writer who you can see in very abbreviated gif
animation for on this page 401)
actually he might not write paperbacks, he might have been a historian
travelling from milan to minsk although the nude people next door were having
the erotic journey. I have another clip of this skinny
russian-sax-playing-actor-stolen-video-guy-in-realvideo format which I haven't
utlized in any way yet.
Hmm, why do I make trash like trash, etc?
I guess collage is inherently trash so, I'm stuck in that rut. ALso I like
plastics and other cheap disposible things, and people seem to thinkthose things
are trash when they near the ends of their lives (the things not the people) and
some of those lives can be quite short (in the case of packaging) but cultural
trash is more interesting to most than plastic physical trash, but only if it
comes form outside your own culture (not by implying that this unknown-to-me
russian movie is trash... the photography was great) but it's just this VHS
recording I made of a movie on tv, amongst a bunch of other tv clips of lesser
quality, which I transcribed into more and more abstract formats
(WAV->REALAUDIO AVI->GIF89-> AVI->REALVIDEO) so they warp and lose
context and become lost souls in the information soup. And I guess I see them
visually as trash particles to utilize on my terms. As digital particles they
are very easy to paste together now. Would anyone even recognize this clip, this
dialogue except the artists who created it? Would they either care or (in a
million years) find my re-use of their stuff?
I don't think so. I'm not claiming ownership of much.
Ian Campbell
ianc@islandnet.com
6/2/99 11:37:04 AM (GMT+03:00)
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